Ford-Rangers.com Ranger Forum HomeFord-Rangers.com Ranger Forum Home
Home Recent Topics New posts Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register

Ford-rangers.com is a discussion forum, a Ranger forum for people who have questions about fixing or modifying
their Ford Rangers or people who just admire their Ranger. Please join and enjoy sharing experiences!

PRE 5.0 swap questions       #: 2134
 Moderated by: Mike69, MaDMaXX,
New Topic Reply
 Rate Topic 
 Posted: Sun May 10th, 2020 04:45 pm
PM Quote Reply
1st Post
JAMMAN

Owns A Torsen


Joined: Mon Sep 18th, 2017
Location: Grove City, Ohio USA
Posts: 6433
Name: Jim ...
Occupation: 5 axis cnc programmer ...
Interests: RBV's ...
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 6433
First of all this is happening in a garage/driveway. I have a substantial collection of cordless power tools including a very large impact. I have a cherry picker, 2 floor jacks, 4 jack stands an engine stand AND help from a guy as crazy as I am just younger.

I have no torch. Should I get one first?

First question, pulling/planting. I'm from old school where you separate trans from engine then drop/pull.

Is it easier in a garage environment to put everything together then weasel it in... what is the method most used? If cutting and welding the core support is the absolute best I will do it. I don't have a welder but I have drills and pop rivets and a really nice riv nut tool I could make it removable for future swaps LOL.

No Adam we are not cutting the frame and dropping the 3.0 out the bottom :-)

I have heard it is good to take the upper plenum off the 5.0 before planting it, the last time I put just engine in with no transmission I didn't have a problem with the plenum but fully assembled is it a problem?

TIA-



____________________
00 XLT 4WD RCSB 3.GO! Jalapeño
01 XLT 2WD RC Steppie 3.0 auto Silver
The future belongs to those who show up.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 10:16 am
PM Quote Reply
2nd Post
410customs

Idahome


Joined: Wed May 2nd, 2018
Location: Panhandle, Idaho USA
Posts: 2165
Name: Jamie ...
Occupation: Elevator Design Worlds Tallest Buildings ...
Interests: Ranger Based Vehicles and OFFROAD ...
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 2165
you can pull your old v6 and trans together
You should plan to install the 5.0 without the upper intake and then stab the trans to it
You would only need a torch to get any rusted exhaust bolts that wont free, should not be a problem since you can just cut the v6 stuff and pull the v6 engine and trans together.

Remember the 96+ explorer came with a 5.0 factory, your 03 Ranger is identical as far as the engine bay is concerned, so the drivetrain will bolt in just like if you were at the Ford factory.....no cutting and torching of radiator supports or frame rails needed for this one. :) Everything basically BOLTS IN 
The difference between a 97 Explorer and 03 Ranger the explorer frame rails stay wide behind the front seats, because the leaf springs are under the frame rails and the leafs go under the axle 
The ranger frame rails get narrow because the leaf springs are outboard the frame rails and go on top of the axle 
Otherwise all is "same, same" (Miagi voice)
So as far as putting a 5.0 into a ranger is concerned the only real changes are to the exhaust after the B pillar and the rear driveshaft, after the B pillar.......otherwise 5.0 conversion bolts in like it should have been there from the factory.
Its the wiring and little bit of plumbing know how that make the v8 a conversion......



____________________
I build custom RBV, specializing in drivetrain conversions, wiring, suspension and complete custom trucks
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 10:46 am
PM Quote Reply
3rd Post
JAMMAN

Owns A Torsen


Joined: Mon Sep 18th, 2017
Location: Grove City, Ohio USA
Posts: 6433
Name: Jim ...
Occupation: 5 axis cnc programmer ...
Interests: RBV's ...
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 6433
Thanks, it's an 00 not an 03 but same beast.

The wiring and plumbing scare me the least, you know me.

The exhaust only scares me because I have no welder, I can see paying for a proper cross over setup and I really don't see why someone doesn't just make one and sell it. If you can sell a silencer as a fuel filter you should be able to sell a racing exhaust with bungs for upstream O2 sensors WHICH BTW I found out aside from the length of wires they are the EXACT SAME SENSOR upstream, downstream, 5.0, 4.0, 3.0 in the year ranges I am playing with. I already have one new one I bet out of the 4 I have left over I can salvage 1 and I will need 2 total.

I bet the upper intake being off makes it painless to get to the transmission dip stick bracket bolt on the back of the head and at least the 2 top bell housing bolts? Makes sense oh great one :-)

There will be 2 ground straps added while I am back there, I'm a big fan of over grounding.

I have complete wiring diagrams for both vehicles which will make that part a breeze.

Now more questions.

1. My 97 5.0 had a steel fan. I don't want to go electric this round as I'm actively looking for one of those MK VIII fans and will convert when I find one. I saw a plastic version of this fan on a couple projects what years came with this plastic fan and is it worth trying to hunt one down for this round. What will the gains be aside from weight reduction?

2. Looks like from the answer to my transfer case question I will need the front driveshaft shortened OR will the front driveshaft off a F150 work? Will I need one off a short cab or an extended cab F150 or are they the same?

The rear I can probably handle, I have 2 yokes for a 4R70W with 2 different diameters and multiple driveshafts off of various crap laying around. 1 from a V8 expo, one from a V6 expo and I believe one from a short cab ranger that already has a crown Vic 4r70w yoke on it. Yay.



____________________
00 XLT 4WD RCSB 3.GO! Jalapeño
01 XLT 2WD RC Steppie 3.0 auto Silver
The future belongs to those who show up.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 01:33 pm
PM Quote Reply
4th Post
Tsquare
Member


Joined: Fri Nov 10th, 2017
Location: Suwanee, Georgia USA
Posts: 1540
Name: 
Occupation: Controlled Insanity ...
Interests: 
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 1540
On electric fans also look at the Volvo electric fan setup. I had a set on my 99 F150 and it freed up a few HP and helped a little with highway mileage. I had one  fan wired to come on with air conditioning compressor where it seemed to help with the AC.

If you do go with electric fans install a manual over-ride to turn power off if you are wading water and also set one up with a manual over-ride to turn power on to one of the fans if needed.



____________________
Tony
NE ATL
'04 XLT regular cab 3.slo stepside
Semi retirement
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 03:24 pm
PM Quote Reply
5th Post
4.0power
Member


Joined: Sun Nov 5th, 2017
Location: USA
Posts: 496
Name: 
Occupation: 
Interests: 
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 496
Cheapest electric fan set up- ford contour! Them bad boys can be had cheap brand new. I got a set on my 347 stroker mustang and they have no problem keeping it cool on a 90 degree day. You could use a plastic fan from a 98+. Just don't get a new fan clutch from rockauto. Mine spins the wrong way out of the box...



____________________
2002 xlt 4.0 5r55e 4x4 4.10 rear disc brake swap from sn95 **currently swapping in a 5.0***
2003 2.3 2wd 5 speed single cab dropped 9 inches looks like crap rides like crap but for some reason it’s cool to me
2004 gmc 2500hd 6.6 diesel LLY
1989 foxbody 347 stroker t5 trans
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Wed May 27th, 2020 09:01 pm
PM Quote Reply
6th Post
Scrambler82
Old Bastard !


Joined: Fri Dec 22nd, 2017
Location: California USA
Posts: 2108
Name: Grev B ...
Occupation: Quality Assurance Engineer ...
Interests: Rangers, Photography, Metal Bending ...
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 2108
I used a steel fan on my '88/5.0-W conversion.
I've always thought that a mechanical fan was the best way, BUTT... electric fans have their place when needed.
The radiator I used fit under the front radiator support, it actually fit in the opening and out of the way of the front end accessories on the '93 Mustang Engine. (didn't know anything about the Explorer 5.0's front end)... four core, a little thick.

The only problem I faced, even with this special radiator, was the truck ran hotter on the Highway than around town.
It was something about too much pressure coming in from under the truck at speed, because of the lift and the removal of the air dam, and the air was having trouble getting through the radiator; fixed it by raising the rear of the hood, a poor mans Crowl Vent.
Also, I switched to a single electric fan to reduce the heat before I found out what caused the problem, had to add a LARGE capacitor to reduce radio interference (Amateur Radios), but it worked ok.

I know this isn't an '00... but it is just an interesting point for the air flow with a 5.0L.

Good Luck with your swap.



____________________
Ltr,
2003 EDGE, Std Cab, Steppie, E4 Red, 5sp, 4x
5" SuperLift, 33" x 12.50 x 15"
Hurst Shifter
Mod'd Backrack to fit Steppie
Front and Rear Bumpers by Custom 4x4 Fabrication, OK; now Mike's Welding and Fabrication.
Working on more Mods, just need more time, longer days would work !
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Thu May 28th, 2020 03:12 pm
PM Quote Reply
7th Post
Mike69

Mustang Nut


Joined: Sun Oct 22nd, 2017
Location: Horsepasture, USA
Posts: 1690
Name: Mike ...
Occupation: Semi-retired ...
Interests: Vintage Mustangs, RBV's, car shows, & woodworking ...
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 1690
When I installed the 5.0 in my 69 Mustang I installed the engine, & then installed the T-5 5spd trans. I used the contour dual electric cooling fans in the Mustang but have not run it yet. The word on the classic Mustang forums that the Ford Contour dual cooling fans work great but you need a fan controller. If you use the Ford Contour dual electric cooling fans you need to have a 24" wide radiator. Jim if you need a O2 sensor I have a Bosch upstream for my 2000 Ranger that I do not need, you can have it for the shipping.



____________________
21 Bronco Sport Big Bend (Wife's DD)
05 F150 XLT Reg Cab, 2WD, 5.4L, Auto (My DD)
00 Ranger Extd Cab 4x4 4.0 OHV, Auto
99 Explorer Sport 4x4 4.0 SOHC, Auto
69 Mustang Coupe 5.0, 5 spd 9" rear(Project)
14 Kawasaki Vulcan (Wife's Toy)
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Aug 1st, 2020 09:27 am
PM Quote Reply
8th Post
Junglejoe
Member


Joined: Tue Jun 30th, 2020
Location: Missouri USA
Posts: 293
Name: 
Occupation: 
Interests: 
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 293
unless you want electric fans, nothing will cool it as good as the v8 shroud and clutch fan..I personally just don't like electric fans since I had them go out on me in the middle of nowhere. I was good as long as I was driving, but the minute I came to a stop... I was looking for the panic button..hahahaa



____________________
2000 EFI 302 Zspec T5 swap ranger
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2020 08:40 am
PM Quote Reply
9th Post
Junglejoe
Member


Joined: Tue Jun 30th, 2020
Location: Missouri USA
Posts: 293
Name: 
Occupation: 
Interests: 
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 293
I've heard you cant inst the 302 with the upper intake on. Hits the firewall. I know for a fact some didn't.  Now was it because it hits the firewall? Not sure. OH.. I do know when I bad mine in mock.up..I could  not get the back intaked bolt in, the tall one . It was wedged against the firewall  at a weird angle



____________________
2000 EFI 302 Zspec T5 swap ranger
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Aug 14th, 2020 10:08 am
PM Quote Reply
10th Post
410customs

Idahome


Joined: Wed May 2nd, 2018
Location: Panhandle, Idaho USA
Posts: 2165
Name: Jamie ...
Occupation: Elevator Design Worlds Tallest Buildings ...
Interests: Ranger Based Vehicles and OFFROAD ...
Status: 
Offline
Reputation: 
Reputation Points: 2165
I never tried to drop the 5.0 in the engine bay with the upper intake on, why would you do that? LOL
It might clear? I dunno
The 5.0 is a tight fit between the crank balancer and the flexplate, but it fits, the engine hoist has no issue dropping the engine straight down into the cradle after the balancer clears the rad support. I do not see why the upper intake would be in the way, I never tried. Too much plumbing, wiring to do so I just install the upper intake later.
Yes the tall bolt in the rear must be in place before you try to set the intake on top of the engine, I just put it in the hole and tape it up so it does not drop down until I have the intake right where I want it.
With intake spacer and a sandwich of gaskets it can get interesting, the gt40 intake is not exactly "light"



____________________
I build custom RBV, specializing in drivetrain conversions, wiring, suspension and complete custom trucks
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

Current time is 10:12 am Top  

Ford-Rangers.com Ranger Forum > Ranger Engine Tech > 8 Cylinder Gasoline > PRE 5.0 swap questions

Users viewing this topic



PHP Version: 8.2.28
Server version: 10.6.21-MariaDB
UltraBB 2.01.01 Copyright © 2008-2025 Jim & Chris
Page processed in 0.0621 seconds (38% database + 62% PHP). 62 queries executed.