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Well my 4.0 is going to have some help moving air into the motor.  Supercharged! I picked up a used thunderbird m90. It needs to be fully rebuild. Does anyone know anyone that rebuilds these blowers? 



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Dude if it was a turbo I could do it, we are fully equipped to do turbos of all sizes. I imagine if it just needed bearings and seals... we are a full blown machine shop..



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4.0power wrote: Well my 4.0 is going to have some help moving air into the motor.  Supercharged! I picked up a used thunderbird m90. It needs to be fully rebuild. Does anyone know anyone that rebuilds these blowers? 

They have kits to do that.. but you need to know what generation yours is and..
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Eaton S/C rebuild kits

If you're a stock Nazi



and we talking OHV or SOHV engine?




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Far as I know, it came off a 1993 tbird. Mine is a sohc



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Check out moddboxx too see what services they offer.[size=
]You will likely need to upgrade the fuel rail, pump, injectors, and instead of running a cam, I've got better solutions for OHV that will allow you to run a stock ECU for the most part. Oh and I'd consider making upgrades to the cooling system as well.. Fords generally when S/C like to run hot at lower speeds around town...


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I plan on running 3.5 psi max. Moddbox claims that all factory fuel management can safely run the motor without biting it up lol



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3.5 psi?  Where abouts you live in reference to sea level???



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Google says 1200 feet on sea level



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I'd try it, you can tell quickly if it was a bad move without blowing the motor first.



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The truck will have a/f ratio gauges, boost/Vac gauges so I can keep an eye on things



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If I can come up with the extra 650 for the kit lol



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The temperature graphs indicate that charge temp will be increased some 200 plug degrees F above ambient. That's about 270 degrees at standard conditions. Hence the need for a intercooler is confirmed.
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The truck will have a/f ratio gauges, boost/Vac gauges so I can keep an eye on things

A/F, Pyrometer, boost gauge in S/C situation is nearly useless.. nearly. Because the pully on the snout is primarily where you're locked in at, the turbine remains constant. Changing the pully/timing can speed up the .. GETTING TOOOO BOOST faster but an Eaton S/C unless theres something new in the world I havent seen or heard of yet.. No one to really control boost other than with the gas pedal.

Turbo cars are easy because the boost controller can "vent" the boost on the charge pipe. S/C don't have that option. So I'm curious as to how they say you're gonna limit 3.5 compared to a 10 PSI pulley.

Also if I recall, at sea level 1 Lb of boost is roughly equivalent to 14.5 HP per lb of boost. 15lbs should approximately double your HP as a rule of thumb but again that is also fully intercooled and the lot of extras.

for 45-47hp I'd almost say for $480 you could buy a Zex Nitrous kit and get 55hp Dry shot or a 75 Dry shot if you're just looking to make it fast for whatever reason until you run out of legs or RPM bandwidth in 5th gear.

The only thing that sucks about that is when the bottle is empty, the fun is over sadly....

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Thunder-Chickens pulley is set to make about 20 PSI btw..



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I was considering and on my way to S/C my 4.0L OHV, The '03-04 Cobra comes factory equipped with an Eaton M112 supercharger and that was my goal as I have found someone who offers a direct bolt on intake to the 4.0L OHV for the M112.


Already Had another engine to that I tore down to start preparing for machine work and internal mods.

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I'd say you got some planning to do on top of just a end-play adjustment and seals job on a S/C. Not doubting your intentions or abilities but you know its not exactly a weekend job and drive to work Monday morning type thing right? ;)

I'll be interested in seeing your build page and seeing your preparation and work and better yet the positive results of that work. keep us in the loop



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Yup, required to do a build thread, forum rules LOL. Can't wait.



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My plans are simple, use the Moddbox kit, use thier 3.5 psi pully and call it done. I got a lb7 Dmax that could make 700 hp one day. My ranger on the other hand doesn’t need to be making a shit Tom of power. Just enough to get the truck out of its own way and aid pulling a trailer.



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The Eaton M90 came in more than just the T-bird. GM also used it with their 3.8L in Buicks and Pontiacs. The M90 can be tuned to run up to 15 psi as many people who had Grand National's found out:cool:.

There is a lot of info out there on the M90. At a low psi like 3.5 lbs you are not going to see much increase in power but you will see an increase in fuel consumption. The extra power the blower is generating will be mostly eaten back up as the drive requirements of the blower. If you could run 6 to 8 lbs you would see a big jump in HP/Tq but it's economy wouldn't be that much worse than the 3.5lbs.

Another big problem is that Ford's hypereutectic pistons are cast. Even shoot as little as 3.5 lbs the cast pistons are not going to last very long. A short block with forged pistons at a bit lower compression (8:1-8.5:1 instead of the stock 9:1) would be ideal for making a lot more power efficiently but you are starting to look at a lot more $$.



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Just using this as an example for boost all around, doesn't matter if its mechanical boost in the sense of turbo, supercharging, or liquid form.

The Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS for example run their 2.0L engines at 12:5.1 compression (with a 7400 RPM redline). So lets say you have the a 2.0 engine with 12.5:1 compression ratio and you run 5 psi and you achieve 250whp.

Then you take the same engine an lower the compression ratio to lets say 9.5:1 but you now will have to run 10-12 psi to achieve the same 250 whp. For the same amount of stress in both engines the next factor that comes into play is fuel.

High boost + High Compression = Needs high octane gas. (e85, Race gas)
High boost + low compression = Needs not so high octane gas (93)

Then it becomes an issue of detonation. You have to know what kind of build you are going after to determine the compression you need. With that, higher compression simply increases likelihood of detonation much more so than boost. So it IS better to have lower compression so you can run much much higher boost if you are planning on going for big hp numbers... IF not, then you could stay the other route.

A 8:1 motor will swallow 17-20 psi all day long and make more peak hp than the above motor. (notice you are TRIPLING the boost pressure) This is on pump gas. On race gas/e85, the limits of detonation are raised and you can get away with high boost on high compression.

Typically with DI you can stretch 93/94octa a lot more. In the case of most STG 1 turbos for example the vehicles are 8psi tunes and it seems like there is still a bit left on the table. I would start lower and work up till I find the knock sensor, that would then be my limit then dial it back a hair or two. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess 12psi before knock becomes an issue.

But "Tsquare" does bring up a valuable point in the Ford's hypereutectic pistons being cast and even I don't think I would even spend or let someone spend the funds to Cryo those to expound on the information of "would it work"..?



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4.0power wrote: Well my 4.0 is going to have some help moving air into the motor.  Supercharged! I picked up a used thunderbird m90. It needs to be fully rebuild. Does anyone know anyone that rebuilds these blowers? Moddboxx used a company in Old Towne Florida called, Supercharger Technologes. But this info is from a 2014 moddboxx forums thread post #58. 


https://www.ranger-forums.com/forced-induction-n20-tech-35/ranger-explorer-4-0l-supercharger-install-how-step-step-141002/page3/




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Ok so what would you guys suggest I do? I got no problem saving up for forged pistons. Should I run a aftercooler or water meth? Will the water meth set up last for a while before I need to fill it up like ie if I were to drive the truck for over a hour at about 2500 rpms?



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Aftercoooler.. would be my opinion even though I've met many a VW fans with water injection



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Anyone else’s opinion on which I should run? After cooler or water/meth



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I would be happy to add my opinion, but since I know absolutely nothing about the subject, I shall refrain. :)



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