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 So if I had a line on a 2000 4x4 Explorer V8, would that be pretty much a direct swap to my 2001 Ranger XLT 4x4 Extended Cab?  The 4.0 is a little tired at 258k.
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 G8orFord wrote:
So if I had a line on a 2000 4x4 Explorer V8, would that be pretty much a direct swap to my 2001 Ranger XLT 4x4 Extended Cab?  The 4.0 is a little tired at 258k.
From what I've read the only years that are "direct swap" are 98-99 explorer and ranger. But the guys here have the info to get you through it if you choose to do the swap.

Some states want same or newer engines. You'll need to have all the emissions equip from the newest vehicle is my understanding.



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 My idea for a clean electrical wiring of the V-8 Swap is...  "Why can't we use an aftermarket harness, one with the three wire hookup... but I don't know what ECM to use" ?

Do you have to use the Explorer harness to swap in a V-8 ?

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 Eddie Money wrote:
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So if I had a line on a 2000 4x4 Explorer V8, would that be pretty much a direct swap to my 2001 Ranger XLT 4x4 Extended Cab?  The 4.0 is a little tired at 258k.
From what I've read the only years that are "direct swap" are 98-99 explorer and ranger. But the guys here have the info to get you through it if you choose to do the swap.

Some states want same or newer engines. You'll need to have all the emissions equip from the newest vehicle is my understanding.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to find out.  There's conflicting information or at least incomplete information from what I've read so far.  Granted, I'm new to the "Ranger scene", but not at all new to turning wrenches or even engine swaps, though I've never swapped any of these newer designs with so much PCM control.

I'm not looking for a race truck, if I were I wouldn't care about most of the probable issues with a swap since I wouldn't need or want most of it anyway.  I'd shove a stroked Windsor in it, make the necessary modifications and be good to go.  What I want is a dependable truck that everything works on.  A little more HP is always welcome, but not a deal breaker.  I know small block Fords pretty well and know very little about the 4.0, so that's why a 5.0 swap is intriguing.  However, I'm not looking for a long term project.  If the Explorer has all of the bits and pieces and all that's needed are a few wiring teaks and a new rear driveshaft, I'm good with that, but I'm not looking to do a lot of fabrication and/or a complete rewire of the truck.  It's not that I can't do it or even that I wouldn't actually enjoy it, I just don't have that kind of time.  I bought this truck pretty cheap and could likely sell it right now for a profit, but I wanted a little truck to bounce around in instead of driving the F-250 all of the time.  I've got a Focus, but I don't fit it very well and if I'm going to drive the Expedition, I might as well drive the 250.  That's why bought the Ranger.

I'm not really worried about emissions here in Florida.  It may be a problem one day, but that's not today.  Otherwise I wouldn't be able to drive the F-250. LOL

Sorry for the long winded post.
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 No, 2000 expo to 2001 ranger is not an easy swap but it can be done.

There are several wiring considerations with all swaps but the "easiest" is from a 96 to 2001 explorer or mountaineer with a 5.0 into a 98 to 2000 ranger that was born with a V6 (either 3.0 or 4.0) and has 4WD.

ANY swap can be done given the right resources (including copious piles of cash) but those were the easiest.

The 2 biggest problems I have heard is pats and the AC circuit. VSS is a problem depending on which years you swap. That is the extremely short nutshell story.



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 410customs wrote:
"So first question, which combo is 100% plug and play?"

None of them
You can get very close...like all you have to do is change one motor mount,  wire the AC switch from Explorer to Ranger, change some power steering lines and then the explorer 5.0 bolts in
None of these are 100% plug and play, even with the easiest conversions chances are you will still have to address driveshafts and exhaust, some simple plumbing, wiring and sorting out of what goes where and why.
If it was easy or if all these conversions were the same I would sell a conversion harness and conversion pieces!!...A single Ranger to explorer wiring harness is not really possible because every single Ranger to 5.0 conversion is a little different....

98-01 V6 rangers / B3000 /B4000 are the easiest to convert using a 98-01 5.0L donor
But I still do not consider a drivetrain swap as "easy" I know none of mine were just plug and play.........

Two things that will help you a GREAT deal when doing any drive train mix matching:
1. Get the entire donor
2. Do not get rid of any parts until the conversion is done

It's not that hard! If you can pull an engine you can probably pull off a 5.0 swap, I always tell my boys "any wrench monkey can bolt one of these together" but you better go into it knowing what you are getting into (Research!) and be good at solving problems (with the help of the FordRangers.com of course!)
Any 98+ Ranger can accept a 5.0 rather easily...but this is still a drive train conversion
About as easy as they get as far as drive train conversions are concerned
you ALWAYS have bugs to work out before the conversion is 100% done because the instrument clusters change, the fuel systems change, and the wiring changes sometimes even mid year!

Just about every single possible combination has been done and sorted out in one way or another, the trick is having all the right parts and information available for YOUR conversion

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No, 2000 expo to 2001 ranger is not an easy swap but it can be done.

There are several wiring considerations with all swaps but the "easiest" is from a 96 to 2001 explorer or mountaineer with a 5.0 into a 98 to 2000 ranger that was born with a V6 (either 3.0 or 4.0) and has 4WD.

ANY swap can be done given the right resources (including copious piles of cash) but those were the easiest.

The 2 biggest problems I have heard is pats and the AC circuit. VSS is a problem depending on which years you swap. That is the extremely short nutshell story.
@410CUSTOMS mentioned 98-01 V6 Rangers were the easiest to swap using a 98-01 donor.  What changed in 2001 that makes it more difficult?  This is what I'm trying to find out prior to going forward with the Expo purchase.  I've seen a spreadsheet mentioned, but no links to it that I saw.  Is that something I should search out?  It seems that no one wants to come right out and say exactly what fabrication and modifications have to be done over and above what is actually plug and play.  That may very well be due to variations in individual vehicles, but I'd think there's at least a baseline somewhere.
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 Type E pats, OSS instead of VSS for speedo, several other wiring considerations.

The ECU from the expo will expect a VSS signal from the rear end, yours does not have it being an 01, yours is an OSS signal coming from the transmission. The speedo you would have to use a GPS or maybe 410 has some sort of a conversion.

If you plan on using the key, key ring coil
(or entire steering column), transmitter and receiver (somewhere behind the glove box) from the expo then that would cure the pats problem. I am relatively sure there is no part of an E pats in your truck that is compatible with the B system of the expo.

Easy is in the experience of the mechanic, Bob on this forum (and all the others) did an 03 and supercharged it, plus added all the EB electronics and got it to work.



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 I've never done a v8 swap on a Ranger but I did do a v8 swap on a Mustang. I discovered quickly that the wiring of 1993 Mustang with a 2.3 is no where near the same as a 93 Mustang with a 5.0. When I say wiring I mean the entire car from headlights to taillights. Both cars were 5 speeds lx coupes with the same options. Along with both cars being the same color and build dates being the same (4-93). The wiring was completely different. I literally had to gut and strip both cars and install every wiring harness from the v8 car to 2.3 car. So if you keep this bit of info in mind I dont see why you cant perform the swap on any Ranger. With doing that all that fancy expo features would almost be plug and play. It would also save time on tracing wires and figuring out what you do and dont need. But keep in mind as I said I have never done this to Ranger from an Explorer. That's 2 different trucks. I did it from 2 Mustangs. Although the same cars but way different. I even had to swap out the steering columns to get the conversion to work as if Ford made my 2.3 a 5.0 car.  Just some food for thought.



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Type E pats, OSS instead of VSS for speedo, several other wiring considerations.

The ECU from the expo will expect a VSS signal from the rear end, yours does not have it being an 01, yours is an OSS signal coming from the transmission. The speedo you would have to use a GPS or maybe 410 has some sort of a conversion.

If you plan on using the key, key ring coil
(or entire steering column), transmitter and receiver (somewhere behind the glove box) from the expo then that would cure the pats problem. I am relatively sure there is no part of an E pats in your truck that is compatible with the B system of the expo.

Easy is in the experience of the mechanic, Bob on this forum (and all the others) did an 03 and supercharged it, plus added all the EB electronics and got it to work.
I'm pretty sure mine uses the VSS on the rear end.  At least when I replaced the sensor on the rear end it made the VSS code I had go away. LOL  However, the speedo was working, even though it had a code, so that sensor may only be used for something else.  I also know that the spot where the speedo cable would normally go into the trans is factory plugged.  As in, the hole is there, but it was never milled out.  Not sure if that means anything or not.  My truck does have the 5R??? transmission.

I'm not terribly concerned with PATS.  If it were to become a big problem, I'd have it tuned out.  I think that might even be possible with Forscan.

It would be imperative that the A/C function properly. LOL I live in Florida, so that's kinda required.

I'm not necessarily looking for "easy" other than I do not want to get into a complete re-wire or a bunch of additional fabrication.  Swapping a few wires in the harness isn't a big deal, especially if someone already knows which wires need to be swapped.  I'd love to have the time to make it a full blown "project", but I simply do not have that kinda time right now and I know me.  If I were to take on something that I couldn't expect to complete in a few weekends and/or nights, it would end up pulled out back and forgotten.
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 What year was your 01 made in LOL? Late 00?

Anyhow it sounds like you have what it takes to make the project work, throw it in there and see what happens.

I'm going to work on my 8 project the minute the rain stops if it ever does. I am an exhaust and driveshaft away from making it go down the road. And putting all the pulleys and radiator in...



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What year was your 01 made in LOL? Late 00?

Anyhow it sounds like you have what it takes to make the project work, throw it in there and see what happens.

I'm going to work on my 8 project the minute the rain stops if it ever does. I am an exhaust and driveshaft away from making it go down the road. And putting all the pulleys and radiator in...
Yes, late '00.  Actually November of 2000.  I know from dealing with the 6.0's in the big trucks, there were mid-year changes in a few years.  (ie. a 6.0 with a build date of 9/03 has a few substantial differences from one with a 10/03 build date)  I imagine the same thing could have happened with the Rangers as well.

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 Oh boy did it. A 2000 born in 99 will almost all the time have those problematic vacuum hubs on the front. I have one born in feb 2000 and it has live axles.

That same 2000 compared to one I drive daily which was born in june has differences, the HVAC controls on the early 2000 takes the T10 base bulbs and the later one takes T5. I have found other mild differences but it has been since last year they have been erased LOL.



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 Oh well, the Expo I thought I could get has already sold.  I'll probably just rebuild the 4.0 at this point, or just run it 'til it stops.  I'll keep tabs on CL and see what might pop up, but most of the vintage are probably in the bone yards or already crushed.
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 interesting read about the 5.0
stays strong after 180K!
https://www.motor1.com/news/440465/fox-body-mustang-dyno-high-mileage/

You can still find lower mile 5.0 Explorers, I see them with 150K or so go for around $1800-2500 you just have to watch
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I've never done a v8 swap on a Ranger but I did do a v8 swap on a Mustang. I discovered quickly that the wiring of 1993 Mustang with a 2.3 is no where near the same as a 93 Mustang with a 5.0. When I say wiring I mean the entire car from headlights to taillights. Both cars were 5 speeds lx coupes with the same options. Along with both cars being the same color and build dates being the same (4-93). The wiring was completely different. I literally had to gut and strip both cars and install every wiring harness from the v8 car to 2.3 car. So if you keep this bit of info in mind I dont see why you cant perform the swap on any Ranger. With doing that all that fancy expo features would almost be plug and play. It would also save time on tracing wires and figuring out what you do and dont need. But keep in mind as I said I have never done this to Ranger from an Explorer. That's 2 different trucks. I did it from 2 Mustangs. Although the same cars but way different. I even had to swap out the steering columns to get the conversion to work as if Ford made my 2.3 a 5.0 car.  Just some food for thought.
My first post here but couldn't let this misinformation remain here without being corrected. I've owned 14 Mustangs and 11 Rangers and have done multiple swaps including big blocks into fox bodies along with 2.3 to 5.0 conversions along with turbo 2.3 and V8 swaps into Rangers. All of that info about complete wiring changes in a Fox Mustang when converting the same model year from 2.3 to 5.0 is TOTALLY FALSE... When using the appropriate engine harness NONE of the body harness needs to be touched at all.... PLEASE STOP POSTING MISINFORMATION for others to find that may take it for gospel....
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 Welcome to FR?
If you have explicit details to the contrary I think the team here would be more than happy to learn from your experience. You have to admit you came in swinging, not the usual style on this board.

I have literally owned more Rangers than you have believe it or not, I can only prove it with pictures since I only own 2 as of today. I had 2 X 2000's, only difference was one was extended cab one regular cab. I found wiring differences in them, wire colors different, one didn't have a hot wire going to the  cruise pods on the steering wheel AT ALL, one had T3 bulbs in the HVAC controls the other had T5's... perhaps ford themselves ran out of harness A and had to use harness B to complete the particular mustang Adam bought for his swap.
Stuff happens. In light of that we would LOVE to here some stories of your swaps and see pictures!



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 Hey at least come back and defend your point of view. The more I think about this the more it sours my stomach.

Your use of the term "Misinformation" lends me to believe you are one of those leftist cowards who has no real basis for backing up what you say and just feel the way you do because you saw an engine swap on CNN or MSNBC, at least Adam had the basis of really doing it and not just saying he did. If he drew a wrong conclusion and you are REALLY WORRIED that some poor unsuspecting engine swapper is going to make a wrong move based on this article then come back and straighten it out for us.

Go ahead, you have the floor.



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 Dude said he owned quite a few and done numerous swaps. Said you don't have to change the 'whole harness' between the 4 and some 6 or 8. You counter him with some years and options have some small differences. Then interject your politics and accuse him of learning swaps on CNN?  Pretty sure they just got news on there. Never seen any swaps. Seen some swaps on Velocity and occasional shows on CNBC or whatever Jay Leno's show's on and the old Nashville Network but never been lucky enough to catch any of them being Ranger swaps. If you ever did, let us know specifically what and where. Otherwise, doesn't really seem like learning to help fix or improve our trucks. As to inviting him to the floor, after all that, he may just want to share his knowledge with people who seem like they might actually listen to it and benefit.



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 The term "misinformation" is dripping with politics. And no they don't have news on CNN, they have narratives. He picked a fight with a friend of mine who I have worked beside a half dozen times and know he has done many things successfully.

Auto02 came in swinging, saying something he can't seem to come back and support. 1 post. Adam has posted 1,682 times and is one of the most helpful people I have ever met. Might Adam be wrong about his harness statements? He might be, it would be nice to know.

I don't go on other peoples forums, post one smear post then leave. I expect the same from others and don't have a problem calling it what it is.



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 Because you've posted more, only your politics and your opinion of the news matter?
My uncle told me what opinions are like...
I don't have time for that. I need to work on my truck.
I will go to get my info where I can get helpful info for that.
I can see that is not where your interest is.
Have fun feeling you're right.

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Because you've posted more, only your politics and your opinion of the news matter?
My uncle told me what opinions are like...
I don't have time for that. I need to work on my truck.
I will go to get my info where I can get helpful info for that.
I can see that is not where your interest is.
Have fun feeling you're right.
Dude I have no beef with you and don't understand why you are defending the troll.



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 Because you are the one who sounds like a troll in this case. I was trying to give you a heads up, so you would notice and correct it on your own. You think you're right and justified tho and don't see it, so I'll just state it outright. Now, I am off to one of the other forums that is helpful in working on my truck.

PS I don't require another notification that you still think you're right.

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