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I was interested in seeing what kind of bulbs help in this setup, unlike a lot of other fog lights i've seen, these have a little cap/shield right in front of the bulb, just like the headlights do.
So my question is has anyone found a good upgrade?


I'm looking at possible LED's here, but as i'm aware of the aim accuracy with those (depending on manufacture quality) i wanted to ask what the housing relies on being that it has the cap in front and a plain mirror reflector on the back?


My thought is that the bulb itself doesn't need to be aimed that much as the plain cone reflector dictates just a flood, combined with the cap to have a cut off?



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Goddamn it, I had a detailed response, and the website f****d it up...

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No, the website. I don't do stuff like this from my phone. I clicked preview post, got an error, and when I went back what I had typed was gone.

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Can't hit the back button, if you scroll down the text window is still there in preview and you can continue typing.

IF YOU happen to accidentally hit the back button just hit the forward button and it is still there.



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I lied, my memory failed me again.
It's a target tube of some sort, however the bulb type has a coated (opaque) end to it.



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The cup is reflective on the inside, so that all of the light generated by the bulb get directed by the main reflector, same as in the headlights. They have no cutoff. This makes bulb placement important. This is what makes 'plug and play' HID's and LED's look so bad, as well as illegal.

I upgraded mine with HID's retrofitted with projectors from The Retrofit Source. Toss in switchback halo's and painted the reflector black. Aiming is more like wishful thinking as the bulb is fixed and the housing is mounted to plastic with only up or down adjustment. But for fogs all you really need is them aimed at the ground in front of you and low enough to light the road under the fog.



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Sooo, i would disagree with the "no cut off" as i know they have one, the beam fits under the headlight fill.

But yes, the positioning part was what i was curious about, i had initially guessed it didn't matter, but that's not the case i think.

Also, fancy lookin' lights you got there, Tex.



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JAMMAN wrote: Can't hit the back button, if you scroll down the text window is still there in preview and you can continue typing.

IF YOU happen to accidentally hit the back button just hit the forward button and it is still there.

Negative.  Page generates a white error page that says the web site is not working.  There is no text box below, no anything.  So hitting the back button was not accidental, it was the only way to get back to the site.  Other than just going around again through the proverbial front door.

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Lighting in general, some VOR lamps have a straight-across cutoff, and some have a stair step, and some have no discernible cutoff to the left of center. The defining characteristic of a VOR headlamp is that it has a cutoff at least 2 degrees wide, located at H-H (horizontal, not above or below), with at least 2 degrees of its actual width centered at 2.0 degrees right of center.

The lower the top of the oncoming-traffic (left) side of the beam is below horizontal, the more it reduces glare for oncoming drivers.


The defining characteristic of a VOL headlamp is that it has a cutoff at least 2 degrees wide, located 0.4 degrees Down from horizontal, and with at least 2 degrees of its actual width centered on 2.5 degrees Left of center. That does not regulate what the top of the beam pattern looks like anywhere else, such as on the right side of the beam; such regulation is handled in terms of intensity by the test points in the beam specification. There's nothing in this that would necessarily provide more left-side light nearer the horizon. A VOR with a flat cutoff can provide more left-side seeing distance, and a VOL can (but doesn't necessarily) provide more right-side seeing distance depending on what the top of the beam looks like to the right of center.

anyone can aim any lamp however they might get an idea to aim the lamp. That doesn't mean it's a correct or technically sound idea. There is no uniformity to where the left side cutoff is on a VOR lamp with a stairstep cutoff. It might be at 0.4° down like a VOL...it might be at 0.57° down like an ECE...it might be at 0.2° down...it might be anywhere, because the VOR specification does not regulate the existence or placement of a cutoff to the left of center, only to the right of center. The inverse is true of the VOL specification, which is why it is possible to design a VOL lamp that gives longer right-side seeing distance than a VOR.

That being said, your lights on these trucks are designed in a flood pattern to shine lower and wider in front of the vehicle itself as a compliment to the headlights which are if remembered correctly;
the public-interest groups that test headlights, including Consumers Union and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, do not conduct tests of fog lights and do not take a position on their effectiveness. Nor do the federal safety regulators that issue standards for high- and low-beam headlights. In a statement, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said, “Fog lamps are considered supplemental equipment, which means there are no applicable federal requirements for these lamps other than they must not impair the effectiveness of the required lighting equipment.”

Fog lamps; Amber and designed with a sharp top cutoff to shine down below the fog layer which is close to the ground, meant to illuminate ground markings on roads and highways and not reflect so much off of the moisture in the fog.

Most vehicles, although your upper and highline vehicles now are moving away from supplemental lighting such as fog lights or what should be termed as "flood lights" (clear); (Driving lights would be more pencil beamed for distance and high speeds) due to the latest in headlight technologies which are now more designed in the criteria of meeting distance, glare and uniform illumination, and filling in the foreground of the beam pattern to do basically what foglights were meant to do.

I argue that the overall effects of lighting in the needs of "Fog" should be yellow as they serve multiple purposes. But in newer sleeker cars the front ends are made in such a way that fog lights and headlights would be sharing the same areas of coverage which defeats the purpose. But in a long wind of words, really unless a highline vehicle, most of these clear lights in the lower valances are just flood lights, the size and placement is the simulated "cutoff", in simpler terms. Unless a true FOG light, you won't see a manufactured cutoff and whats mistaken as hotspots and then the blur of radiated lighting may look sharp enough to be confusing to some degree.

 



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So, VOL? and VOR?

And what's the verdict on the use/intention of the Ranger factory 'fogs' then?



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Someone is not speaking English !

What are VOL and/or VOR in reference to the Fog Lights ?

Can low mounted Driving Lights be used like Fog Lights ?

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It was a bit over the top, apologies.. The discussion was bringing in the factors of cut-offs and there involvement with foglights.

I was meaning to show what, where, and how that's applied in vehicular lighting. When we speak left or right hand drive vehicles the differences in lighting are highly apparent.

Please see the following.
    The headlamp aiming procedure depends on what type of beam pattern the headlamp is equipped with. Vehicles may come equipped with visual optical left (VOL), visual optical right (VOR) or SAE only (includes sealed beam type) headlamps. To identify the headlamp beam pattern, look on the headlamp lens. Molded in small letters on the headlamp lens is 1 of the following:
      SAE
      VOL and SAE
      VOR and SAE
Once the headlamp beam pattern is identified, aim the headlamps using 1 of the following methods as applicable.
    Photometric aimers can aim VOL-, VOR- and SAE-type headlamps only. This is the preferred method of headlamp aiming.
    Visual or screen method aiming can be used to aim VOL-, VOR- and SAE-type headlamps only.
    Mechanical aimers cannot be used with VOR- or VOL-type headlamps. Aerodynamic lamps that can be aimed mechanically have 3 nibs molded into the lens of the lamp.




To establish further what a foglight actually is is arguable between white and yellow light sources. What remains the same is the pattern and where and how it is spread; generally low and forward of a vehicle to light up road markings and see in front of you. I think, and I could be wrong but I think amber lighting in any inclimate weather to a degree is better than white lighting. Same could be said for other countries that require a rear facing red Foglight, usually a brighter than your taillights red so following cars can judge distances and travel safer behind you.


Madmaxx ~ The OEM foglights are a flood light pattern, the fact that Ford issued them in clear, or WHITE light I am unsure of relevance other than a play in aesthetics and customer favoritism. Unless you're a late 80's to early 2000's Lexus connoisseur or have lived in other parts of the world where fog is a real issue, few appreciate the yellow lighting and seem to prefer the clear. Function? Marketing? Couldn't tell you and I bet if we pulled talking heads from each car company their answers would be all over the place on the reasons.


Scrambler82 ~ The reference to foglights with VOL and VOR were again were for the sake in speaking about cutoffs of light patterns and sort of in lieu of there use.

To answer your 2nd question; As @Ordinary Biker mentioned in his unfavorable and descriptive example of rude and discourteous others when they just 'POP' in an H.I.D or L.E.D. bulb into a housing that is not meant for such a illumination source becoming a careless hazard. He describes the efforts he took to have a focused projector beam of far better light and standards vs. a HOT (unfocused and extremely bright light) headlight drying out the eyes of oncoming traffic goers.

Although in similar but opposite fashion, a "Driving Light" is meant to shine a light far down the road in a much narrower pattern. Vs a flood or even a foglight pattern. This visial may help better.



Its also why in our small advertisement of LED light bars we bring up the point that all LED light bars are not created equal NOR used for the same things and functions. If you're using low speeds and want to bring on artificial daylight, we have lighting that works for that.

If you want to drive close to or in excess of a 100 MPH offroad, you may want lighting that shines far enough that you'll never catch it, or hit anything in front of you.

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Well that's quite the wealth of info, thanks :)

In the UK it's a legal requirement to have a rear foglight, red, and brighter than brake lights.
The irony is that there is a fair amount of fog there, but front fog lights are/were historically absent from nearly all vehicles.


So you partially answered the Rangers factory fogs as being flood light pattern, but they don't have a flood beam, they have a fog beam (per those pics)



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Don't live in Texas, sorry.

I was completely underwhelmed by the light thrown by my '07, so I upgraded them.  Very happy now.
Literally the ONLY way you have a cuttoff is if there is a shroud in front of the bulb:




The Ranger does not utilize anything like this in any way stock.  They literally have no cuttoff.  They have beam pattern.  (HID's have a movable cuttoff shield, this is how they use Hi-beam, the shield moves out of the way, unlike halogen bulbs that turn on an additional filament, brighter and in a new location.)


The whole yellow beam issue has been debated over the years.  They were even required by law in France for a long time.  Research on both directions is out there.  I think generally now it is acknowledged that yellow is of no huge benefit for fog or night, although yellow does cut out the blue in the light which is what causes the glare (another reason that PNP HID's suck so hard)

Here is a whole bunch of info on yellow beams http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/light_color/light_color.html

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MaDMaXX wrote: Well that's quite the wealth of info, thanks :)

In the UK it's a legal requirement to have a rear foglight, red, and brighter than brake lights.
The irony is that there is a fair amount of fog there, but front fog lights are/were historically absent from nearly all vehicles.


So you partially answered the Rangers factory fogs as being flood light pattern, but they don't have a flood beam, they have a fog beam (per those pics)

No pun intended but.. Glad I could share some light on the subject.

If it were me, Id recommend taking advantage of the 'free' location and add a yellow bulb to the factory "fog" light location and take advantage of the slot in the lower bumper or behind the grill for additional lighting or both.

By that I mean in the lower bumper slot, the addition of a 20" LED single row series type light in a flood pattern.

Anything in the grill area and between the headlights, I'd have to recommend some form of spot lighting whether 4"-8", round or otherwise, Halogen/LED/HID to aid the headlights by throwing light farther down the road without having to engage the high beams themselves or even in excess of in some scenarios.

Spot or spot/flood combo's for anything above the hood line to the rack or overhead setups. Anything along the sides to rear should be 4"-12" and flood or if you're really serious, some of the "scene" lighting configurations as in an alley-light type use. Single cubes and SR series lights work well and minimize wind noise on racks at hwy speeds and depending on configuration needs or budgets; can be done in pairs. i.g. A single 6"-12" in the center for an overhead rear flood or a pair of on the outer ends above.

We have been working with a company we like to use for L.E.D., a red L.E.D. flushmount cube fixture light similar to this to be used on rear bumpers as a rear fog light; especially as an option in our own upcoming rear multi-carrier bumper product line offerings which would offer a single flushmounted rear flood reverse light (opposite of drivers position) and a rear facing flushmounted red
fog light on the drivers side, (regardless of a left or right hand drive vehicle) for vehicle code compliances.

Or you can opt for a second reverse light but so far has been unnecessary.

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MaDMaXX wrote: So my question is has anyone found a good upgrade?
A common budget mod is to substitute 9005 (65W) high beam headlight bulbs for Rangers like yours that have 9145's (45W) in the factory fog housings. I can't comment on legalities or anything else except to say that the 9005's are noticeably brighter. The 9005 bulb is physically similar but not an exact replacement for a 9145. It may require some finesse to get the 9005 bulb to seat in place. Not too difficult but not a "drop in" like the 9145.



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I have the EDGE model, so i have different bumper cuts, makes fitting extra stuff a pain, it's why i'm putting spot lights behind the grille.

Ordinary Biker: See my pic above, it has a "cut off" ring around the end of the bulb, gives it a cut off line per the fog light pic that 12 North posted.



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MaDMaXX wrote: I have the EDGE model, so i have different bumper cuts, makes fitting extra stuff a pain, it's why i'm putting spot lights behind the grille.
Nothing extra is added with the 9005 mod, just a bulb swap in the existing fog lamp housings.  Of course, even with this bulb change, these would remain wide pattern fog lamps, not spots. I was misled by the thread title: "Upgrading the factory fog lights". 



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Sorry, i'm being misleading in talking about two separate things here.

My current project is adding extra lighting, however this thread is just talking about the Ford factory fog lights i have.

I'm starting to look into the 9005 upgrade, did you recall where the possible modification requirements would be?



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I for one never have thought the Lights behind the Grille to be a great thing ! Do they work, from what I have heard they work but "just how good", that is the question.

Increasing the wattage in an existing light housing is a good route, as long as your OEM Wiring is up to the task. Wire, Relay, Switch, should be checked for proper amperage carrying ability. ( 65 watts/12 volts = 5.4 amps per lights, 10.8 amps total ).

Front OHV Lighting on my other Rangers, have been four lights, all mounted to the front grille area, Two Spots lights in the middle and two flood lights on the outside. Amperage draw would be high but this set up worked well, and Two switches so the Floods and the Spots were wired separately !
On my '03 EDGE, the OEM Fogs worked well, filled in where the headlights cut out, gone but not forgotten !
I haven't installed my front lighting or new Fog replacements, but the same will happen. Two Spots, two Floods, and on this one two Driving Lights. Again, high amperage, old school, but I already have them and LEDs for this wattage (100 and 130 watts) cost too much !



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MaDMaXX wrote: I'm starting to look into the 9005 upgrade, did you recall where the possible modification requirements would be?This mod is also popular on other brands besides Fords. Some sources say that filing down one tab slightly on the 9005 base is necessary to make it match a 9145 base to make it fit in a 9145 socket.

However, nothing needed to be modified on my Ranger which has the same fog lamps as your Edge. The 9005 bulb will fit directly in place of a 9145, at least in a Ranger socket it will. It just requires a bit of manipulating to get it to seat in the fog lamp housing. Not as easy as dropping in a 9145 but easy enough that it is not absolutely necessary to file down the tab. Given the choice, I will generally take the easier way as long as it does not compromise function.


Either way, filed tab or not, should work. As always, care should be taken to keep dirt and fingerprints off the glass which can shorten the life of the bulb. IMO, that's another reason to avoid the extra handling required while filing the tab.

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Scrambler82 wrote: I for one never have thought the Lights behind the Grille to be a great thing ! Do they work, from what I have heard they work but "just how good", that is the question.

The spot lights behind the grille on my Ranger work very well. I drive the highway early in the morning to work & I use them often to light the road ahead of me.



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Mike69 wrote: Scrambler82 wrote: I for one never have thought the Lights behind the Grille to be a great thing ! Do they work, from what I have heard they work but "just how good", that is the question.

The spot lights behind the grille on my Ranger work very well. I drive the highway early in the morning to work & I use them often to light the road ahead of me.


The Grille doesn't interfere with the light pattern ?Pictures please !
A nice set of light mounted to a Bar across the front will give you light as good as the behind the Grille lighting and you don't need to take anything apart to mount the lights or repair them.   The support behind the Grille area are fiberglass and plastic, where do the mounting bracket hook up to ?




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