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Negative, just the left is my favorite.. and bigger of the two



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I know this is an old thread, but has anyone measured their studs?

I measured my fronts today, they're about 1 3/8". I have read that the rears are longer though. Can anyone confirm?

Also, does anyone have pics of their Ranger with 1.375' or 1.5" spacers?

I originally only wanted to go with a 1" spacer, but I don't want to cut my studs as I want to be able to remove the spacers for insurance, inspection or maintenance needs.



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Without checking my update log from when i did mine, i think they *were* longer.

Having done this now, and wanting to preserve stuff, as you do, i would actually still go the route of using a cutting disc on the grinder. They don't cause problems for putting it 'back to stock' as the studs are technically far too long as it is.

What i wouldn't be to keen on, is spacers larger than an inch. Personally, i think it would look a little silly with how far out the stock wheels would sit, and honestly i feel the load change would be too much.



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RiggerWings wrote:
I know this is an old thread, but has anyone measured their studs? 

I measured my fronts today, they're about 1 3/8". I have read that the rears are longer though. Can anyone confirm?

Also, does anyone have pics of their Ranger with 1.375' or 1.5" spacers?

I originally only wanted to go with a 1" spacer, but I don't want to cut my studs as I want to be able to remove the spacers for insurance, inspection or maintenance needs.

I run 1.25" spacers all around due to Explorer wheels with an incorrect [in comparison]. the 1.25" spacers ate up the actual difference along with the reliefs in the back of the wheels. Well over 2 years, I run offroad generally 2-3 times a weak on spur roads and the like, never an issue as of yet.

I do however fail to understand the necessity of R&R them for an inspection? If you were to buy a NEW WHEEL with the proper offset, its going to be the same amount of material on it as the spacer would be or add, there is NO difference. The 1.25" puts my tires just flush to the fender for my use. I believe I posted pics of that above.


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Without checking my update log from when i did mine, i think they *were* longer.

Having done this now, and wanting to preserve stuff, as you do, i would actually still go the route of using a cutting disc on the grinder.  They don't cause problems for putting it 'back to stock' as the studs are technically far too long as it is.

What i wouldn't be to keen on, is spacers larger than an inch.  Personally, i think it would look a little silly with how far out the stock wheels would sit, and honestly i feel the load change would be too much.


What load change? What do you think happens when you get into a 15x10 wheel and put on a 35" tire that's 12.5" wide? Is it any change in load if you go from 15" to 17" wheel? 9" to 10" wheel?

Do you honestly think if there was any reliability or functional issues with spacers [up to 6" mind you] on vehicles on open roads with people on them that would be considered "dangerous" they'd still be marketed and sold let alone allowed on the public roads and highways?

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RiggerWings wrote:
I know this is an old thread, but has anyone measured their studs? 

I measured my fronts today, they're about 1 3/8". I have read that the rears are longer though. Can anyone confirm?

Also, does anyone have pics of their Ranger with 1.375' or 1.5" spacers?

I originally only wanted to go with a 1" spacer, but I don't want to cut my studs as I want to be able to remove the spacers for insurance, inspection or maintenance needs.

Sometimes when it's just to easy I just have to let it go as I will with this one... enough said. :P



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The biggest problem that seems to exist with spacers, is they're a little fussy about being 'fitted' - it seems people don't all give enough care to make sure they're being centered on the lugs whilst being carefully tightened in sequence.

I haven't even had to re-torque mine as i spent a few minutes on each one when i was fitting them.



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Seeing that as a probability using the wrong lug nuts.., sure.

But if an individual has the existing stock acorn nuts, being not only are the spacers beveled/chamfered to be lug centric, perhaps maybe not so much on the Chinese cheaper so much,  but quality parts. The first lug drawn down should center the spacer enough so that buy the time you get the 2nd lug drawn fown, without tightening mind you, that spacer SHOULD be exactly where it is designed to be and the rest of which shouldn't be any more difficult than putting an initial wheel back on at all.

In any other case, it would not be the spacer so much at fault as the installer at that point in the sense of errors of poor installation. Same argument as would apply to 2A arguments, it's not the gun that kills on its own, it's the individual behind the gun at fault. To which also would fall on poor training or know how (or not if you will).

You yourself say the same thing.. to paraphrase, people didn't give enough care. In my book, if someone shouldn't be working on their own car, doesn't put a wheel back on right, and it comes loose or off and they go off the road and an embankment or into a grove of trees off of a 200 ft drop.... removal of the warning labels unnecessary, Darwin award runner up.

So in the argument of spacers being unreliable, dangerous, or too wide, etc... it's not the spacer, it's the installation of it which has been my validation of the entire thread. Outside of ridiculousness, I'd bet you could put 6" wide spacers on them wheels and never see an issue outside of being laughed at, or asked where at in the Barrio you from ?



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I'm still not liking the idea of cutting my studs. Especially since most auto parts stores only one of two in stock at any given time.

I typically do my own maintenance but what if I'm on the road and something happens and now a shop refuses to work on my Ranger due to having spacers...now I cant just remove them because my studs are too short to work without them.

I do think 1" would help my skinny tires look a little better.

I don't have a front or rear view shot...maybe I'll take a pic tomorrow.



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You seem to be worrying about the stud length - don't - go ahead and look how much stud sticks out the end of your nuts (ooh-err) and you should find there is plenty to spare.



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I guess you have a point. I have the full length lug nuts so you cant see how much sticks out.

If my front studs are 1 3/8" long and I want 1" spacers, I guess I only need to remove roughly 3/8". Which I'm sure would normally stick out anyway.

I'll try to check my rears tomorrow, hopefully they're the same length.



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Nice! Thanks Max. I think your fronts look like about 3/8" as I was saying.

What do you think the rear is, 1/2-5/8"? I'm guessing the lengths are different based on disc vs drum brakes. I have discs all the way around so maybe mine will be the same as the front. Guess I'll see tomorrow.

Did those spacers come from 12*N? I'll have to check my PMs but I think he said roughly $35 each. I was looking at some on 4wheel parts, about $89 a pair for some Spyder 1". I didn't pay attention to the specifics though.



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That's what i needed to grind off, and yes i also think the length difference is disc/drums.

I was going to get the spacersfrom 12*N after Christmas, but i forgot to take these off my Amazon wish list and they turned up from a family member.



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Wow, you got pics of everything! I don't have any issues with cutting that small amount off of my studs. Afterall, it looks likes you only got into the first thread.

I'll have to buy a nut/lugnut with an open end so I can screw it on and cut. That way, I don't have to worry about messed up threads.

All in good time...spacers first. I'm not in a huge hurry. But I'll start my search. For the price I'm guessing I'll hit up 12*N. I'm afraid to go with Ebay. Maybe I'll check Amazon too though.

Thanks for the help Max!



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Well I do have the open ended lug nuts, they're a bit deep though. I'll have to see if enough will stick out to be able to cut the 3/8" off. If not, I'm sure Home Depot will have a 1/2"x20 nut I can use though.



I'm about to pull the rear wheels off, so I'll measure the studs then.



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Remember the nuts that go on the original studs come with the spacer.

Measure one inch out on the studs, see if the nut will fit on what would be left.



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Yup, been busy all day but I think I'll look for some spacers tonight.

So here's my stance, you can see the wheels seem tucked under still. I think 1" will be perfect for the front and rear.





As I expected due to discs, the rears are the same length as the fronts.




Looks like the part I'll cut off isn't threaded anyway. I'll loose a thread or two, not a big concern.



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Yeah, and i'm guessing your alloy wheels have a little less offset than my steels, if you go wider than an inch on that setup, it'll look funny from behind.



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Why not buy wheels with the correct back spacing and offset?



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Dusten wrote:
Why not buy wheels with the correct back spacing and offset?
My stockers are 16x7. If I search for a 16x8 there's usually only 4 or 4.5" backspacing. Plus, all the wheels I like are in 15" which wont fit my stock brakes.  

If you read back through this thread, I mentioned the same thing as far as I might as well just get new wheels. But I can't seem to find much out there. I don't need new wheels really, mine have some corrosion but over all I like them. Cant find my stock color in the aftermarket either. It's either black, polished or chrome. 

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Cost and availability.
Very true, not much selection on 16s vs 15s. Plus even a really cheap wheel is $100. Plus mounting and balancing my tires onto them. Go figure that anything I'd rather purchase will be $200 each. I can get all 4 spacers for about $130 from 12*N.



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Just an FYI: With a wider stance your cornering will improve. You will also throw more debris up the side of your truck when it is mucky out there.



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When I went with a slightly larger tire, I threw in some pre-keys to lift the front and I went with some older FX4 rear block. I added 1.5" to the front and rear. I still have a slight rub at full lock when pulling in and out of parking spaces. I'd like to get rid of the rub. Plus I don't like my tires being so tucked.



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MaDMaXX wrote:
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I guess doing it right usually costs more.  I hate spacers.



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I'm not a fan of spacers either, never used them. But if done correctly they can be safe and get the job effectively.



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