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I have heard that round sounds better, and some swear by the 6 X 8 that fit right in the holes. I don't plan on an amp or a sub so I would need some natural bass. I have to do something my right front speaker still buzzes especially on talk radio. I know it is the speaker because it did it with the stock radio and my newer one.

I know anything that makes music is usually round, I used to play guitar. Never saw an oval speaker in an amp. BUT it seems the ovals would bolt right in without problem. Round---> :argue --- Oval



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This is just my opinion. So take it how you want. I would go with stock speakers which sound good. Or get a set of Rockford Fosgate punches or a set of Kickers. Stay with stock size and shape. Even if you go aftermarket they bolt right in with no modifications to the door or door panel. I put kickers in my front doors and then a set of Rockford punches. Both sound great but the deeper bass tones to me are more noticeable in the factory ford speakers. Which I have a good set of stock speakers. (Hint hint). This is just my opinion. I'm sure more members will chime in with different thoughts on this. Should be fun to see where it goes. Kinda like the tire topic



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As an audio snob -

Even I would tell you to stay with factory 5x7/6x8. Since you're not likely to spend that much time in your truck other than whats necessary and for the simplicity. The higher ohm speakers from Ford will offer you the best sound for a NON amplified application for the best bang for the buck and time saved during installation.

Round is better because there is more control over the driver at both lower and higher volumes resulting in far less distortion. Combined with different materials for magnets and of cones made from Kevlar, paper type, or poly type materials also can in effect add warmer or flatter tones.

Thats why I have a hard time interjecting brands of speakers anymore because everyone hears something different. People who are or become more atoned to sound quality learn what to look for in sound staging, focal points, imaging, and overall sound quality becomes a learning curve and usually flatter in sound to where most people wouldnt listen to it as such everyday. If I offer a suggestion of brand its generally in conjunction with a quality and service aspect in mind. I dont follow trends or badge buying crushes of big box stores for the purpose of what USED to be great is generally shit now in comparison despite technology advances in some cases.

Keep it simple, you'll enjoy it longer and less is more. You're not competing...

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Undrstm8ed wrote:
Thats why I have a hard time interjecting brands of speakers anymore because everyone hears something different.
You can say that again! While I was young we had "Audiolab" catalogs where you could get several high end speaker types in one place. I was partial to the "Klipschorn" due to the mechanics of them using the wall as an extension of the horn, brilliant IMO and I knew someone who had enough money to buy a pair... they were loud and sounded great for "rock". Todays bass and hip hop fanatics would probably laugh at them.

I took my first wife in to a high end stereo store in Michigan (forgot the name) but I would switch from one brand to the other and ask her opinion. It was always "that one is louder". She couldn't tell the bass from the midrange.

Anything even stock would be better than the busted one I have LOL.



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Stock equipment is better then no equipment



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JAMMAN wrote:
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Thats why I have a hard time interjecting brands of speakers anymore because everyone hears something different.
You can say that again! While I was young we had "Audiolab" catalogs where you could get several high end speaker types in one place. I was partial to the "Klipschorn" due to the mechanics of them using the wall as an extension of the horn, brilliant IMO and I knew someone who had enough money to buy a pair... they were loud and sounded great for "rock". Todays bass and hip hop fanatics would probably laugh at them.

I took my first wife in to a high end stereo store in Michigan (forgot the name) but I would switch from one brand to the other and ask her opinion. It was always "that one is louder". She couldn't tell the bass from the midrange.

Anything even stock would be better than the busted one I have LOL.

Again I had a great conversation addition and for whatever reason I've lost a second one today alone by a misplaced click. Gawddddammmmmmnnnitt !!!

From what I can remember of it all.

Very familiar with Klipsch horns. They're meant to be full range loud and although Rock music may naturally sound better on them, i assure you that you can listen to anything on them and they'll be equally impressive. Those tho practice and even preach of the "one note bass box" religion - easily discernible by the method of constantly fiddling with EQ, Bass, Loud settings to keep the lower tones playing loudly at the same constant rate have no appreciation for real sound or the artists impressions and intent for their own music.  I say that boldly because its true. Ive seen some rock and country music put some Hip-hop and other lower tone based music to shame in some aspects and I listen to it all for the most part and genre wise. Its how I keep an ear for tuning in many things. And even the tuning of music and recorded materials is deeper than you would think and i believe relative.

I found it interesting in how and why we all hear something differently. Apparently since 1939, a controversial time in history alone and something else comes along to add to it of course. Much of the music we hear of or know has been tuned at 400-500 hz Industry standard today is 440hz whereas the longest time it was 432 hz. 432 hz is also the basis of being harmonized with nature and correlates and divides with the 8hz the planet resonates at. To me it sounds better, richer tones, less harsh highs and mids seem rounded but most audible still.

Hope someone appreciates the extra content here, i know some are rolling their eyes already. LOL

440hz is called the "Stuttgart Pitch" which if you follow history, world history at all in part. Stuttgart Germany is the 6th largest city in Germany and the origination point of many things. Sorry the German in me took fancy to the historical aspects. Not only is Stuttgart the birthplace of the very first petrol (gas) powered car but the origins expanded from there relate to Calvary horses breeding and cars. The name comes from 'Stutengarten' which is an archaic form of the German word 'Gestüt', meaning stud yard. Those of you who fancy a Porsche should also know that not only does the black horse in the coat of arms like logo represent the German "stud yard" Stuttgart, Porsche originated from there, that's why it is in their logo. But the peculiarity for me is and follows from a so called story.

The story goes as; Essentially Swabian ravioli from southwestern Germany, Maultaschen are a kind of pasta filled with spinach, sauerkraut, breadcrumbs and sometimes minced meat. They may seem innocent enough, but their Swabian name 'Herrgottbscheißerle' means 'Lord God Deceivers'. This comes from a legend involving a Cistercian monk from the Maulbronn monastery, 40km north-west of Stuttgart, (hence the name 'Maultasche').

The monk allegedly wanted to eat meat during the Lent fasting period and hid meat in the usually vegetarian filling of his Maultasche in the hope that by sneaking it under a pastry cover, God wouldn't notice. Hence the term - "Lord God Deceivers"

What makes the quinky-dink here is the controversy that has surrounded the 432hz vs 440hz arguments and debates.. If you see how disruptive 440hz looks visually in comparison. You might even think back to a time when you couldn't focus on even finding an address or a place to park and had to turn down your music. May make you think back and wonder why. here ya go.

So if you take into consideration the disruptive nature, the intent to make 440hz the industry standard, all the relative thoughts and actions involved - Wouldn't you be led to believe that there is some deceiving work involved when we look at the entertainment industry as a whole from videos and music to tel-a-vision and the weird occult like world being revealed to us in todays world? maybe its just me.

Jamman, as a guitar player and those others musically inclined may find the following interesting enough:










I know a little deep for such a simple post but knowledge is power and my attention span reaches far beyond that of a refrigerator light.. lol



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All modern tuners are calibrated A440 including mine, but I can adjust it to whatever I need. I have no need any more LOL.

I had never heard of the 432HZ theory VS 440 but I will do some research the next time I have my tuner out. I have a Korg PitchBlack and its the only tuner I have ever owned accurate enough to set intonation properly. I do have 4 guitar projects to finish before I have a sell off (it will make 8 guitars total I own) perhaps this fall when it gets cold again.



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There was the time I built a 8 channel matched impedance system with 40 watts per channel. It was an awesome system in a regular cab '84 Toyota. After years of working in communications I have lost most of my high frequency tones and I am just before a hearing aid in my right ear.

I have my passenger side door speaker buzzing right now - it is on my more def side so I have the balance turned up on that side. I also have a backlight in the headunit that has burnt out. I understand it is a 50/50 chance of survival if you crack it open to replace the bulb. Then there is the Molly Hatchet CD in the CD unit that will not eject.

I am a prime candidate for a speaker and headunit upgrade. Crutchfield has JVC 6x8's for $38 a pair and I can get a Blaupunkt double din touchscreen with rear view camera, usb support, bluetooth, micro-sd, with 40 watt per channel for less than $140.

Coming up with an extra $220 right now is a little tough. I just dropped another $1500 on that POS Mini.



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CD extraction is rather easy..

Remove the head unit from the dash, there is likely two screws on the back of what looks like the lid. There may be more on the sides but usually the end of the "lid" has tabs or the entire thing is a tab and it tucks under. A little tug and it should pull off and slide out.

Once you get that off you should have decent access to the transport. A small hook tool or flat head screwdriver should lift the center plastic piece that centers itself in the CD hole is on a lil spring loaded armature. Pull it up, slide the CD out.. Liberation of the CD should be easy or similar in process..



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Does it still play even though it is stuck? Haven't heard flirting with disaster in a while.



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Does it still play even though it is stuck? Haven't heard flirting with disaster in a while.
That song is literally on the radio right now



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I found with Digital Music that the OEM Pioneer Tri-Axil Front Speakers don't sound too bad. In fact, when I hooked up my USA-Spec iPod/Phone adapter the highs I heard from the OEM Pioneer Speaker were surprising.

To me, and not reading all of the postings above, buy a decent quality set of front and rear speakers, OEM Sized, bolt them in and you as most people will think they are the Cat's Meow... !

OK, now the branding... me I am a Pioneer Radio/Speakers/Bass type of person, and Pioneer has the quality/sound and price that I can live with.
The speakers sound great, to an old guy, all of there hook up was straight forward, and from past system I have had I will always go back to Pioneer for my radio/speaker needs.

Go to an audio store that has a sound room, if they still exist, and sit down with your digital music and listen to different speakers, time invested up front will pay off in the long run... you are the one listening to the music now and in the future so take your time and chose wisely !



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Does it still play even though it is stuck? Haven't heard flirting with disaster in a while.
Your good, that is a album that is stuck in there.



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I was able to make a set of 6x9 fit in the doors using some longer self tapping screws if that helps at all. The biggest thing it offered was a larger selction of speakers because at the time I think there were only about 3 choice in my price range, but I'm also running a 4CH amp to my speakers which allows my head unit to work a whole lot less.



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I had the door card off last night and grabbed a couple of pictures for this thread. This is a set of 6x9 speakers mounted in the doors.







it looks like the speaker grill is making contact with the tweeter but they have been in for over 5 years and are still going strong.



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I'm curious as to what the perceived value and amount of  volume difference is over a 6x9 vs the stock 5x7 size. Granted more cone surface area = more volume but when your just looking at a set if 4 6x9's at a max of 14w a channel vs four 12" woofers at say even the same wattage, frequency wilk also play a part i n that. . there's a dramatic difference in output. Especially considering an oblong or oval speaker usually beats itself up which is why GM had such a difficult time with 4x6 and 4x10 speaker applications in many of their cars. The whole purpose of the 5x7 or 6x9 was to compensate for the lack of mid bass and bass coming from the very anemic 3.5" dash speakers, at times 4" and eventually 6" door speakers.

Outside of the generalized grief of proper installation and fitment issues [putting a square peg in a round hole if you will] I would suspect minimal at best.


Until the advent thought of putting subwoofers in cars from the manufacturer level trying to get in on the now at that time 12 years of a huge upwards trend, "car audio", this is how manufacturing compensated to improve sound quality. Then they learned about staging and imaging which some cars still just don't do well regardless.

The biggest issues we all face and have in our trucks and sadly us standard cabs are even worse is the standing waves the interior creates and the windshield  being the way it is from top to bottom and side to side. If you really wanna take it to the next level in sound Q compared to stock, even a set of basic tweeters properly placed as an add on to the front speakers makes a dramatic change. The plethora of big box store, and I'm sorry but the aftermarket is totally flooded with junk now a days, even the big brands aren't what they used to be. Alpine might be somewhere near the top end, kenwiod, pioneer.. but none of them make stuff like they did 20 years ago. It's almost all Mattel my first stereo and they razzle dazzle people with lights and aux features but they continue to take away the quality components that made a head unit a good headunit. FACT

I think for shits and giggles since there's a grip of techno weenies abroad here. When I collect my old 21 yr old head unit from back in the day. There's no opportunity for warranty so I'm sure I can dismiss the yellow do not remove tag and I'd like to take it and open it up and take some detailed pics of the components, the board, the circuitry,  processors and what not and compare it to any if the newer Casio watch like units of today.

I think even with things being cheaper today, the build quality isn't what it should be. And before anyone gets the wrong idea that I'm just bragging or boasting about how much I can/have spent.. not the case. My arguments are based upon perception of quality and what the value of dollars gets you.. also taking into grave consideration that... everyone hears something different.. or not [sorry Tsquare] ;)

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I haven't LOL. It still buzzes I still put up with it. Got lost in the front end parts/tire thing so it will take a while to get back to the fluff. I still haven't installed my backup camera yet. Had it for months.

I was going to say I'm a procrastinator but I'll have to think about that for a while.



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Me... I understand fully, too many projects, it is that easy !

I was going to say, since you don't have or want an amp, which would clean things up some, just a small one, but the speakers, my plan is as follows and is based on the fact of two things, 1) the Cab size, mine is a std-2 dr Cab, and 2) my age, I just want nice clean music.

The first things is as I state an amp, get a small unit, but a good one, the music will sound better, cleaner.
Next the Speakers, you need decent speakers, 6 x 9 Coaxial for the rear, they will keep the music in the rear coming in a little lower in tone, and the front... two speakers, one is a Coaxial Mid-Range Round Speaker, the largest you can fit in the Doors with sound boxes, sound boxes not only keep the speaker drier they help the speakers create better sound but the Kicker in this case is... get a set of Tweeters and mount them in the corners of the Dash or high on the door pillars but point them at you.

The front should be the best speakers you can afford, these will be the loudest speakers and should be able to reproduce the sound to the highest level, the rear speakers as good as you can, but the rears will be filler speakers and you can set them through an amp to be a little more bas-sie , and they can be a little lower in price ! 

Always spend your money on your speakers and amp, then buy the best Stereo you can afford, with speakers setup for quality in the front with tweeters, and decent speakers in the rear for filling out the music, you should be very happy with the Music.

I was never so surprised to hear tweeters sound off when I installed the Pioneer/Explorer Speakers in my '95 and used an iPod as a delivery system, once the new system is installed (parts are in house), I am hoping to hear more quality music than I have ever had !

Pioneer has a Matrix System on their Site and it allows you to pick and choose speakers and an Amp that will work together, and it is better if you have a Pioneer Head Unit but you can always pick one that has the same specs as your and go from there.
I used it to pick my system, head Unit, Amp Speakers, Bass, just need some time.

I for one need to select a sound system based on my hearing not what others thing is right, I have used Pioneer for years and have not been disappointed, although some of the reviews I am reading on the Web don't sound very good.

Good Luck, keep it simple, but good speakers and go from there, if later you think you need an amp make sure to buy speakers that will work with a small amp.



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2003 EDGE, Std Cab, Steppie, E4 Red, 5sp, 4x
Large Tube Rear Axle, 31 Spline - FX4, 4.56 Gears, OX Locked
5" SuperLift, 33" x 12.50 x 15" BFG ATs,
Hurst Shifter w/Longer Replacement Shift Handle with (Homemade) Mounting Adapter; 1.5" up x 1" back.
Backrack mod'd to fit Steppie, Front and Rear Bumpers by Custom 4x4 Fabrication, OK.
Working on more Mods, just need more time, longer days would work !
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