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I'm concerned about my truck getting stolen after I dump a bunch of money into upgrades. I live North of a big city but not what you'd call rural. Im not blinging out my truck but I do keep it nice and shiney. If i add a s/c, headers, and dual exhaust It will be obvious its upgraded. I dont have a secure area to park and it won't fit in the garage. So I'm curious what measures other have taken to insure the security of their truck, like lowjack, ingnition kill swithches, etc... 


Im not looking to annoy my neighbors with an obnoxious alarm that goes off every time a cat walks over the truck or for the guy that buys a cheap Nokia and hard wires it into the truck as a cheap tracking device but I admire the effort. I know the club just makes it easier to break the steering wheel lock and I don't want to lift the hood and pull the coil wire or something similar. Im mostly worried about when I park it at home for the night. Im interested in a more professional device that won't be noticed that will prevent the theft or aid in recovery. I do have a security cam on it but that wont help find it or prevent the theft. It will only record it. Lol.

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Eddie Money wrote: Im not sure what sub section this post should go...


I'm concerned about my truck getting stolen after I dump a bunch of money into upgrades. I live North of a big city but not what you'd call rural. Im not blinging out my truck but I do keep it nice and shiney. If i add a s/c, headers, and dual exhaust It will be obvious its upgraded. I dont have a secure area to park and it won't fit in the garage. So I'm curious what measures other have taken to insure the security of their truck, like lowjack, ingnition kill swithches, etc... 


Im not looking to annoy my neighbors with an obnoxious alarm that goes off every time a cat walks over the truck or for the guy that buys a cheap Nokia and hard wires it into the truck as a cheap tracking device but I admire the effort. I know the club just makes it easier to break the steering wheel lock and I don't want to lift the hood and pull the coil wire or something similar. Im mostly worried about when I park it at home for the night. Im interested in a more professional device that won't be noticed that will prevent the theft or aid in recovery. I do have a security cam on it but that wont help find it or prevent the theft. It will only record it. Lol.

Sadly there will likely always be someone who wants your   as much or more than you do. I used to do vehicle security on a somewhat competitive purpose. That being said, all an alarm will do is keep the honest man honest.

The best things you can do is make safe considerations to swap out certain screws to security screws, there is a place in Texas if I recall and they can put nearly any type of special security head or screw tip feature on any size nut or bolt, thread pitch, you name it. An alarm PROPERLY setup to know the difference between an actual thief and a cat of course some additional features will be needed and the alarm will have to be capable of implementing such add-ons. A tilt sensor, a 2-stg motion sensor, and an electronic shock sensor would be my top recommendations to cover 90% of concerns. Power locks and maybe the addition of a tailgate lock such as the "Pop Lock" PL8250 Power Tailgate Lock for Ford can be tied into the OEM doorlocks locking the tailgate as with the rest of the truck.

Ignition kill stops the joyriders but ideally if someone really wants your truck they'll tow it away or car jack you for it after you warm it up, or as some Audio demo vehicles back in the day would suffer a minor accident (bumper tap) and when you get out, they get out and take your car by force or gun point. Rockford Fosgate suffered some great losses back in the day as well many other companies.

I would also suggest that you add an additional Battery backup siren for under the hood in a most difficult place to get to whether from a fender well or even with the hood open. And also take the original siren the alarm will likely come with or get a second one and wire it up so that its in the back under the vehicle fusing both the negative and positive lines so they can't short out the output of the alarm.

Most of my sirens I installed i always drilled a hole, ran my wires for the siren into the hole after directing them through the bracket and screwed the siren pase down over the plastic grommet itself making it nearly impossible to get to the wires, same in the rear under-body, drill a hole, plastic grommet, route wire, feed it in, secure siren over the hole, silicone the grommet from the inside.

I'd like to say parking under a streetlight keeps people away but in reality its as if you put your vehicle on showcase for a thief, whereas more un-noticeable in a darker area its easier to pass up. Security lights do help in most cases with on/off on the property if you can and you can even get creative with that. If you had too, by a baby monitor that runs on batteries and toss it in the cup holder and park close enough to get the signal.

Also, no one really wants to live a life where you're constantly in fear of something happening to your vehicle or someone for that matter. I say this because when I was back in the fear days of thievery of audio systems, [I'm talking easy $14-20k+ minimal systems on average] AND having a Honda Civic Hatchback known for being fast. Having all of the anxieties of parking your vehicle ALWAYS within view no matter the restaurant, place of business, constantly trekking back and forth at the mall having to park up front, finding several different ways to go home, never taking the same way twice in the same week, all while driving and looking out the rear window more than the front windscreen was an unbelievably powerful thing to take over your persona. and it will encroach on your relationship(s) too especially if you're in a single vehicle household and your significant other doesnt share or has an attention deficit to situational awareness, compounds things if they take the car to do even remotely basic and safe things.

I had a friend that was worse than I back then and hes a prime example of why I don't suggest alarms with 2way communication remotes, Primarily because the thieves that hit his car one night came 4 deep in accomplices, while 2 guys started stripping his car in the driveway and his alarm went off for a few short seconds, he flew out the door with a ball bat and both him and his girl got as close to a near death experience as they would ever want to know and they lef them in the yard to be discovered by police bloodied  because a neighbor thought to call for help at 4am leaving for work.

Keeps you from similar situation or worse, shooting someone over a Hi-lift jack or a 50" LED light bar...




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Generally withing 30 mins or less everything from dash and glass as well the engine and trans can be removed...


Someone who steals Cadillac Escalades isnt gonna say well  , I see that sweet ranger over there, lets get it. But someone whose likely in the scene or in need of your parts will be eyeballing your vehicle.


This is just an example and I dont know about the new LoJack setups but the old ones you had to know about when your car was stolen in order for them to activate the system and NOT all local authorities had the equipment, which meant relying on another city agency and more time. Thieves knew this too. So if you went to the mall for 3 hours with the woman, and you car was stolen 20 mins after you got there because someone followed you there and took it quick.. they've already had more than enough of a head start that you dont want the vehicle back now.. trust me.



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Eddie Money wrote: Im not sure what sub section this post should go...


I'm concerned about my truck getting stolen after I dump a bunch of money into upgrades. I live North of a big city but not what you'd call rural. Im not blinging out my truck but I do keep it nice and shiney. If i add a s/c, headers, and dual exhaust It will be obvious its upgraded. I dont have a secure area to park and it won't fit in the garage. So I'm curious what measures other have taken to insure the security of their truck, like lowjack, ingnition kill swithches, etc... 


Im not looking to annoy my neighbors with an obnoxious alarm that goes off every time a cat walks over the truck or for the guy that buys a cheap Nokia and hard wires it into the truck as a cheap tracking device but I admire the effort. I know the club just makes it easier to break the steering wheel lock and I don't want to lift the hood and pull the coil wire or something similar. Im mostly worried about when I park it at home for the night. Im interested in a more professional device that won't be noticed that will prevent the theft or aid in recovery. I do have a security cam on it but that wont help find it or prevent the theft. It will only record it. Lol.




Truth be told, if someone wants it (for that matter, anything) bad enough, they'll find a way to steal it (tow truck is fast and effective). Other than an alarm that pages you and parking in a locked garage, the best you can do is try to slow someone down by making the theft more difficult, thus encouraging the guy to move on to easier prey. If (<< important word) you're really worried and believe that the cops in your area would actually do something to support recovery, in particular, take time out of their *busy day* of revenue generation should it were stolen, then maybe a GPS tracking device would be worth considering. Just remember that people who steal cars are known to put them in enclosed trailers and strip it while going down the freeway, and it shouldn't take much time to discover the GPS device and squish it with a hammer.



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All good info guys. Thank you. I know for lowjack you need to be in a city that supports it. I have a junky knucklehead that lives a couple houses up the street and has tried to enter my house. He's been a suspect in a couple B/Es in the neighborhood too. When it's parked it just looks like a nice clean truck. But when I do the s/c, headers and dual exhaust it will scream like lady chatterly. Im mostly concerned about the people I live near as they will be aware it's a screamer.

GPS trackers require a monthly service. Lowjack is a one time fee (from what I read). Ignition kill will slow them down. Removing a wire may slow them down but like you guys said if they want it they will watch and come prepared. Trying to not draw attention is hard when it sparkles like a sapphire and announces your arrival before you come around the corner. Ugh.. did I mention I'm paranoid. Lol.

I guess it's time to build a bigger garage. Lol.

Back when I had my mopars they were constantly being vandalized. They were more like ratrods than restored beautys. They were neck snapping, eyeball sucking torque monsters. I miss them bad!! It's because of them and the discovery channels show Street Outlaws that has me jonesen for more power.


They looked like these two just not as perfect. This one was 383 bb 727 auto biggest bnm shift kit 8 3/4 clutch styl posi 4:10 gears

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Couldn't add 2 images. This one had a 318 la small block bored over stroked 360 crank swirl port ported n polished heads m1 dualplane aluminum intake 650 carter afb 4 barrel 727 auto with 8 3/4 cone style posi 3:23 gears. Drove this one when I needed to go more than a few stop lights away. When i warmed them up in the garage the sounded like top fuel funny cars because of the echo. Only difference between mine and the one in this image was mine had 72 rally wheels.... and a little rust in the quarter. Lol. Old lady made me sell them. Got rid of her shortly after...

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Slightly different token but relevant by theft. Thievery is what kept me from pursuing and continuing in the Honda community along with a dirty divorce.. The Honda community in my "opinion" is beyond riddled with thieves, I'd be as bold to say its damn near made up of them anymore.

Currently I live on 3 acres behind a private wall and a gate clearly marked with no trespassing in an open carry/stand your ground state. Now I'm not advocating you walk around your yard sporting your latest tactical alien gear leg-drop holster with your VP9 or Glock23 and openly practice drawing down on your car in the drive in mock scenarios.. that might transmit the wrong message. However, all my neighbors see me on my own property open carrying along with dozens of passerby's; I think the thoughts of climbing over my walls or gate are the farthest from any of their minds.. lol :twitch:



Next step is 30-100 acres farther out from the city altogether if I can find the right area and deal..

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Eddie Money wrote: .........I guess it's time to build a bigger garage. Lol.



I've got a more effective solution for the property crime/theft problem in this state. Get the legislators to repeal the "Standard Sentencing Reform Act of 1981" in entirety, that's what created and has allowed these insane levels of property crime to manifest to where they are today. :verymad Judges can't get tough on the worst offenders because their hands are tied and the cops are sick and tired of arresting them, it's like a revolving door at the county courthouses in all 39 counties here. I don't know about you but I'm tired of reading about people being arrested 30 times in the last 10 years (yes, really), and they are STILL out on the streets doing what comes naturally and they do this because they know they have little to lose.



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Well my perspective the cops want something better to do than arrest folks for such  ty petty crimes and the cities and courts dont care because they're just as you said, making money off the revolving door. Whether they're paying court costs, fines, going to jail and getting funding from the fed, what have ya.

And just to note, I recently found this fun fact tidbit;

Justices & Oaths of Office - "Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, That the justices of the Supreme Court, and the district judges, before they proceed to execute the duties of their respective offices, SHALL take the following oath or affirmation, to wit:


'I, A.B [I.G - Jon Smith].., do solemnly swear or affirm, that I will administer Justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [I.G.] __District_Judge__ , according to the best of my abilities and understanding, agreeably to the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.' "


Congress On December 1, 1990, however, in Public Law 101-650, at section 404 thereof, 104 Stat. 5124 -- Effective 90 days later, March 1, 1991 (104 Stat. 5124 at § 407) -- alter material by way of amendment, the oath at 28 U.S.C. § 453, 62 Stat. 907 so as to relive all justices and judges of the united States of any duty or fidelity to the constitution; to wit:


"Sec. 404. Amendment to Oath of Justices and Judges. "Section 453 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by striking out 'according to the best of my abilities and understanding, agreeably to' and inserting 'under' ". Pub. L., 101--650,104 Stat. 5089, 5124, December 1, 1990. Upon Amendment, 28 U.S.C. § 453 Oath of justices and judges of the United States, 104 Stat. 5124, provides:


"Each justice or judge of the United States shall take the following oath or affirmation before performing the duties of his office:


'I, A.B [I.G - Jon Smith].., do solemnly swear or affirm, that I will administer Justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [I.G.] __District_Judge__ , under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.' "


But....... the only duties incumbent upon justices and judges of the United States to discharge or perform are provided in the STATUTES OF CONGRESS, I.G., the laws of the United States; the Constitution provides none.


The 1990 oath, 104 stat. 5124, severs the connection between the federal judiciary and the Constitution; meaning: As of March 1, 1991, officers of the federal judiciary have no obligation to discharge or perform the duties of their respective offices "agreeably to the Constitution" (62 Stat. 907), and the former judicial-branch officers are now LEGISLATIVE-BRANCH OFFICERS under the exclusive control of congress!


"As we have repeatedly said: 'Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction. they possess only that power by Constitution and Statute. . .' " Rasul v. Bush, 542 U.S. 466, 489 (2004)(quoting Kokkonen c guardian Life Ins. Co. of America, 611 U.S. 375, 377(1994) (citations omitted)


The 'United States' you'll find under 28 U.S. Code § 3002 Sec. 15(a) -- (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation id., by the name of the District of Columbia Municipal Corporation. And is very different from the 'United States Of America' - (a sovereign republic, Constitution)

"plus peccat auctor quam actor. - The instigator of a crime is worse than he who perpetrates it" -- John Bouvier, Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 3rd Rev, p. 2153 --


...and the instigators of the takeover of the federal courts of limited jurisdiction by MUNICIPAL [emphasis added] judges masquerading as Article III judges and usurping exercise of general jurisdiction throughout the Union, are the Members of Congress.


TREASON ! Justices and judges of the United States have used their position of trust to betray their creators, the American People, by overriding their will as declared at Article VI, Clause 3 of the Constitution, that all judicial officers of the united states shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution, and thereby legislating the Constitution out of the legal process; to wit:

"The Congress as the instrumentality of the sovereignty is endowed with certain powers to be exerted on behalf of the people in the manner and with the effect the Constitution ordains. The Congress cannot invoke the sovereignty power of the people to override their will as thus declared." Perry v. United States, 294 U.S. 330, 353 (1935).

-- 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than 5 years and be fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.



WHICH SHOULD MEAN: Void Judgements - A void judgement is an utter nullity, of no legal force or effect, and anyone who is concerned with the execution of a void judgement is concerned in law as a trespasser; to wit:

"A void judgement which includes judgements entered by a court . . . lacks inherent power to enter the particular judgement . . . can be attacked at any time, in any court, either directly or collaterally . . . " Long v Shorebank development Corp., 182 F, 3d 548 (C.A. 7 Ill. 1999).

"Where a court has jurisdiction, it has a right to decide any questions which occurs in the cause, and whether its decision be correct or otherwise, its judgements, until reversed, are regarded as binding in every other court. BUT if it act without authority, its judgements and orders are regarded as nullities. They are not voidable, but simply void, and form no bar to a remedy sought in opposition to them, even prior to a reversal. They constitute no justification, and all persons concerned in executing such judgements or sentences are considered in law as trespassers." Elliot v. Peirsol, 26 U.S. (1 pet.) 328, 329 (1828)

"a judgement is void if the court that rendered it . . . acted in a manner inconsistent with due process." Margoles v. Johns, 660 F, 2d 291 (7th Cir. 1981)


So if the US code and laws dont tell you that the judiciary system is a complete fraud and based upon equity than justice from the top down.. well, some of us are gonna need more tin-foil I guess. Feel free to look up all the US codes and the Supreme Court rulings and make up your own minds.

The revolving door you spoke of is just having multiple income/revenue streams coming in. SO WHY, kill that off? you know the answer already

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... and they say that the US is a "civilised" country - maybe if thieves had their hands "surgically" removed ( sledgehammer or axe would do fine) then people would not be so keen to nick stuff.....



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Well, in certain countries they do chop of fingers for theft which remains as a marker to all what kind of person you are..



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