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I've come to a fork in the road and not sure which way to take. I've fixed the minor things wrong with my truck (with a lot of help from yall) and its running and driving great. I love my truck...BUT, it's not quite perfect in every way. See, out where I live there s not a whole lot of off-road stuff, except good ol Texas mud, but there are a lot of windy, twisty roads that are fun to scoot around. Here's my dilemma;

My truck handles s-curves and hairpin and a lot of road stuff VERY well for a truck. I raced a guy who had a newer Kia optima down some roads (not drag raced, but road raced (super deserted road, so relatively safe)) and I kept up, didnt gain or lose any distance. But, when I do stuff around my house such as hauling fire wood, moving tools and stuff around my property, and driving on some of the TERRIBLE roads out here, my truck gets stuck nearly 80% of the time. Granted, I'm on street tires and have an open diff. 

I could easily benefit from both a lift and a drop, and they're basically the same cost. I would do a 3/4 drop with 275s, and a 6/4 lift with 33s. Now, I know 2wd isn't optimal for offroading, but anyone who says a 2wd can't do off-road needs to speak to Mr. Undrstm8ed. I have a 2008 2.3l 5 speed, and an 8.8 with a limited slip and disc brakes is going to be a must do swap for either. Also, I know that some will suggest to keep it stock, and just put better tires on it, but that's just not the way I want to take my truck. I plan on having her for a while, and want to customize it to me.



Thanks for the help!

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Awww shucks... lol

Was there too. Here are my thoughts... sorry if it gets TMI, but its interesting and still relative

I wanted to turn my 2WD into a canyon runner.. I loved taking the Ortega HWY back and forth from the Inland Empire to the lower O.C. in Cali and pushing traffic. I don't know what it was but the truck getting it sideways a lil but holding grip in a sick way was like runnin your hands down the curves of a hottie with no brakes!

For me tho.. after leaving Detroit and having a bit of a street rep for street racing. I'll tell ya.. at 21-25 I was street racing [like an idiot to some degree] and trying to get on a track or two. Drag didn't do it.. but the rush of threading the needle in traffic whether on the street or the hwy basically penalized me in the best of bad ways - Financially

Thank God I never caused an accident, wrecked a car, or caused anyone else to do so.. And when asked here whose done some dumb  . I'll be the first to raise my hand the highest and sadly with a smirk.. I did some scary dumb, DUMB, D.U.M.B.,  . Paid 10,000's of thousands of dollars in fines and court costs, spent weekends in local jail, I dunno popped for at least 18-20 times for driving on suspended licenses.. ect. But I've also been pulled over for going to slow and still gone to jail so whatever. Needless to say.. the speed thing like anything isn't any cheaper. you or someone else can still get hurt, or get stuck in the mobious loop of tickets, fines, donut parties, and/or a commemorative plate carrier for a retiring senior officer (Officer Hall, can still hug my nuts)..!

Then other things happened.. kids, marriage, some BS called "maturity" [don't believe the lies], and what not. I'm sure there is other similar stories to hear. The reason why I went the other way, lift and seeking 4WD options is matter of thought processes and not in any order, I'll be totally and brutally honest. We can all laugh later together.
  • A group of all things Asian & import friends with fast & slung low cars as well as 4x4's took a liking to my ranger and invited me to go out trail riding.. I had a blast despite some small hurdles getting through some things.
  • Then a small group of guys from FRF had a local meet, I went, same thing; hit some small local trails, got dirty, had a blast.
  • Political climate in California was getting weird and looked bad in several perspectives as well as other parts of the nation. Not lying when i say I had a concern of SHTF and if it did my first priority would be to get back to Michigan and get to my three boys any and all costs and if the truck got me as far as it could. I have enough of everything else including contacts nationwide to toil the rest of the way, if by shoe leather express even. So I started focusing on figuring out ways to make the truck multi-functional/purpose on all levels.

[Now this is where it gets interesting]...
  • I was roomies with some people. Eventually got tired of cleaning up after them, their dog, and living in a house with zero amenities and when i say that; that almost includes real running water. [A whole other Jerry Springer show]. I opted to move out, a buddy knocked up his girlfriend and instead of me paying him for rent, he opted to let her move in for free and added a mouth to feed and an ass to wipe. so dbl Fay-ul
  • I already burned the previous bridge / decided to rough it out for a week or two - meaning live in my truck until another opportunity came about.
  • Two weeks turned into 5 months - A great Friend [Dave R, i'll always be indebted too] and his angered wife donated the $6600 as outfitted Flip-Pac to me.
  • 5 months turned into 2 years and 4 months. And in that time I was living in the hills and back roads all over SoCal. I have some amazing sights and views of city lights, Ocean cliffs, and interesting places I've slept. I was still selling cars which meant I had to be shirt and tie, sometimes suit and tie. I worked 7-14 hr shifts. I did the basics at a laundry mat, all my shirts, pants, and suit jackets were dry cleaned weekly and hung in the back of the truck on a bar. I had a storage unit for stuff I didn't need to have. I had ways to communicate, charge all devices, eat/cook foods, fix my truck with just about any aspect short of an engine failure at anytime, I ate good but cheaply in ways to keep energy levels up and not waste money.. Mind you I'm bringing in $3400-4500 a month plus bonuses and extra funds from small jobs, keeping people/mgrs certified at work to keep their jobs was at least a min of $450 a month often double that.. I wasn't broke - purposely homeless - and in a way a reset of my life as a self humbling experience to say the least. $23k available credit, 9 cards, never missed a payment the entire time.. Not on anything.
  • I was self tasked for living out of the truck in every aspect, yes i had some easier things than others but what it brought me was adventures, experiences, some new and interesting friendships, and a business idea that is gaining traction.. Not a loss by any means
  • 23* to 103*.. Never missed a beat in the things I needed to accomplish, that included working on the truck to working on defensive measures.
  • I also grew self-reliant, got outdoors, became much of a different person than I already was and I wasnt that bad to start with.. I know - hearsay and opinionated.


Doing all the things I did to get myself off road and not be stuck down in the city/urban areas was to minimize being hassled either by policy enforcement and or attract the attention of other people without the best of intentions. I stuck to the hills and back roads, occasionally I think I spent a few days in a buddies driveway or two. But I am thankful I had my wits about me. I dealt with everything from local Sheriffs to showering with a bottle of water when I couldn't get into the gym or get to the truck stop with showers. Still showed up for work pressed and cleaned.

I think the "out doors" like situation started up quite a few things and basically kept me out of trouble if not saved me some money in the long term scheme of things, at least not by handing it over to my local courts and the State anyway.

I only wish i would have done a much more better and organized documentation of my experiences and maybe I'd have had a successful Youtube channel and making some money off that!?  So thats why I went the way I did. I had a need and the means was my way of preparation. Only thing changed since moving to Vegas is even though the first 4-5 months was similar here.. I now live in a ridiculous large $2.2M house with some business buddies and earn my keep here. Some days, I take off out of town and camp it out for a night or two - No 54,000 gallon pool or theater room but I swear its better at times.

Sorry so long and TMI.. Only one other person on here has a glimpse of this story, another a fraction of.. but I don't find it embarrassing or troubling when I have Marine friends who had been supportive and admit they themselves couldn't/wouldn't do what I was doing.. I dont feel bad for what I got from it all.

I could have ended up far worse as a co-dependent of the State of California, lost my ass if not ended up paying out the ass & nose for fines and court costs for more dumb   in another State.


:coffee

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For off road you need at least a limited slip 3rd member but preferably a locker. I am part of the group that likes "I know that some will suggest to keep it stock, and just put better tires on it". But I would also add better shocks for the suspension and maybe go with a bit wider tire for the handling aspect of it.



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Lower it!!!!! Why? Because its 2wd!!!!!!!!!! You could always leave it stock height and put a nice set of rims on it. Polished or painted American racing torque thrust 's would look great on your truck. 18x8 in the front with 245/45/18 tires out back 18x10 with 315/35/18's



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To Undrstm8ed: I understand, it was almost out of necessity/what fit your lifestyle the best at the time. And it's not TMI, I would like to get to know everyone on here, it'll make us more of a connected group. As for racing around on roads, I'm blessed to not have gotten hurt/hurt anyone else, no wrecked vehicles, and no tickets. Great info, sir. 

To Tsquare: yeah, I wanted to keep it stock at first and do as you said, but I know I won't be happy with it. I contemplated putting on 275s on an 18 or 17" rim for the width and handling, and some Bilstein shocks, but idk....still indecisive. I will FOR SURE get an 8.8 with the limited slip, and I almost will not settle with drums unless I get a smokin deal on the 8.8.

To Black06XLT: I was under the same impression, that a 2wd is useless off-road, but after a quick Google and YouTube search, such is not the case. No, not nearly as capable as a 4wd, but not useless. Also, I would love to lower it but some of these roads out here, if I go any faster than 10mph I'll hit a dip and bottom out the front, when the trucks behind me are on my a** because the speed limit is 45 and the can't understand why I'm going so slow. And I do not like the staggered wheel setup, because 1) you won't be able to get a true tire rotation and 2) you miss out on a lot of "buy a set of 4 and get $100" deals, be8ng as it's technically not a "set". 

All opinions are welcome, I think I've made my decision, but the poll is open until Friday (I think) so we will see. Functionality is key.



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I didnt mean slam it to where your tucking 20's. Just a little drop maybe 2 in the front 3 out back. Just enough to make people say damn look at that. That's what I would do if was my truck. But really it's all in what you want and you like. If I was going to lift a 2wd truck I'd go full pre-runner style. Flared fenders 33" tires long arm suspension your basic street driven trophy truck. But like I said build it to what suits your needs and lifestyle. Personally I had a lifted 4wd ranger and hated it. Rode rough body swayed big tires hurt the engine performance. Then I had a lowered ranger which was great when it had the 2.3. Was more fun with 5.0 but didnt handle the turns very good with the added front end weight. My current truck is 4wd stock height with cranked t-bars 32" tires. Works great for my lifestyle. Would I like to lift   yea that truck would be bad ass rolling on 38's but it wouldnt work for me and what I use the truck for. So to each there own.



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black06xlt wrote:
I didnt mean slam it to where your tucking 20's. Just a little drop maybe 2 in the front 3 out back. Just enough to make people say damn look at that. That's what I would do if was my truck. But really it's all in what you want and you like. If I was going to lift a 2wd truck I'd go full pre-runner style. Flared fenders 33" tires long arm suspension your basic street driven trophy truck. But like I said build it to what suits your needs and lifestyle. Personally I had a lifted 4wd ranger and hated it. Rode rough body swayed big tires hurt the engine performance. Then I had a lowered ranger which was great when it had the 2.3. Was more fun with 5.0 but didnt handle the turns very good with the added front end weight. My current truck is 4wd stock height with cranked t-bars 32" tires. Works great for my lifestyle. Would I like to lift   yea that truck would be bad ass rolling on 38's but it wouldnt work for me and what I use the truck for. So to each there own.
Oh yeah man I didn't mean to offend, if I did. And yeah either way I went, it was going to be all out like the full prerunner front for a lift, and upgraded suspension for a drop. Now as far as lifestyle, I'm stuck between both because both would benefit. I think, after sitting down today and really weighing pros and cons, I think I've got it. Thank you all who added input, it helped in my decision.



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Well what are you doing with it



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It's a surprise ;) lol, it'll be a while. I'm going to stockpile some parts and put them on once I get everything.



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VelociRanger wrote:
It's a surprise ;) lol, it'll be a while. I'm going to stockpile some parts and put them on once I get everything.
reminds me of a joke..

J: How do you keep a Polack in anticipation?





A: I'll tell ya later...



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